It's taken for granted that nonviolence is the weapon of the weak. First was Jesus that inspired Gandhi, then M.L. King and then me... Anyway I must get the record straight and denounce the original model. Jesus was the son of God according to some --or a simple asshole according to others--, then why didn't he crush Rome with an army of angels or with God himself throwing lightning rods? I'm sure you get the point. You are bothered by a roach and you crush it, right?
I don't know but I feel that the camp of those who consider Jesus an asshole is gaining adepts.
On Feb 7, 11:44 am, e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> taken for granted by who? you call pacifists weak do you? i dont want > to beat the crap out of you, therefore i am weak? lol ... i can see > why you consider yourself to be in a jungle. i presume your knuckles > have evolved enough not to hurt too much from dragging them along > concrete rather than the jungle floor? ;^-]
I'm sure that all the Christians that supported the war agree with me: IN THE JUNGLE YOU MUST STRIKE FIRST.
Where we disagree is that they are happy with the jungle, and I'm not. But of course, I'm the Wise Tibetan Monkey.
> TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >> TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote > >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >>>> TheTibetanMonkey wrote > >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >>>>>> TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle > >>>>>> wrote > >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >>>>>>>> TheTibetanMonkey > >>>>>>>> showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote > >>>>>>>>> e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote > >>>>>>>>>> taken for granted by who? you call pacifists weak do you? i > >>>>>>>>>> dont want to beat the crap out of you, therefore i am weak? > >>>>>>>>>> lol ... i can see why you consider yourself to be in a > >>>>>>>>>> jungle. i presume your knuckles have evolved enough not to > >>>>>>>>>> hurt too much from dragging them along concrete rather than > >>>>>>>>>> the jungle floor? ;^-] > >>>>>>>>> I'm sure that all the Christians that supported the war agree > >>>>>>>>> with me: IN THE JUNGLE YOU MUST STRIKE FIRST. > >>>>>>>> There is no jungle in Iraq, stupid. > >>>>>>> Still ruled by the Law of the Jungle, isn't it not? > >>>>>> Nope, ruled by the law of some rather swathy goat fucker/child molester, actually. > >>>>>>> The little lion is being changed for the big ones. > >>>>>> There are no lions in Iraq, stupid. > >>>>>> And lions dont live in jungles either, stupid. > >>>>>>>>> Where we disagree is that they are happy with the jungle, > >>>>>>>>> and I'm not. But of course, I'm the Wise Tibetan Monkey. > >>>>>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland. > >>>>>>> See, you are obsessed with drugs... > >>>>>> Nope, you drug crazed loons stand out like dogs balls, child. > >>>>>>> yet another stupid war. > >>>>>> Indeed. > >>>>> Well, at least you don't support another stupid war. > >>>> Yeah, Afghanistan is never gunna fly. > >>>>> But if you can't even understand of the value of a basic metaphor, how can > >>>>> you even get the point that war --all wars-- feed some hungry predators? > >>>> Not all wars do, WW2 didnt. > >>> OK, I agree with that. Self defense. > >>>>> You wouldn't believe that fairy tale of Adam and Eve being tempted by a serpent. > >>>> Or that the goat fucker/child molester had some angel whisper in his ear either. > >>>>> Yes, the West believes that an evil snake doomed mankind > >>>>> to suffering and indifference --perhaps even martyrdom. > >>>>> We are so different from the Muslim world!? > >>>> Yeah, no 90 virgins for us, ours fuck around much too much for that. > >>> I see there's no saints among us. Maybe not even the Pope. > >> Certainly not even the pope. The current one used to run the > >> Inquisition and it will be fascinating to see how many were > >> child molesters, just like so many other roman catholic priests. > > Laws that keep sexual predators away from the general > > population doesn't seem effective for Catholic priests.
> Yeah, presumably because most cops are roman catholics.
> > It would be a good question whether they would be willing to give up > > their manhood upon vow of priesthood. It should be a simple operation. ;)
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Oh sure. At least they wouldn't have to live in the lie. I sincerely doubt that a human being can suppress his sexual urges all the time. Maybe someone like Gandhi could, but it happened later in his life. Someone told me that he was fooling around though it's likely to be a lie.
Anyway, I like to dedicate the topic to Gandhi's way, and how we may adapt it today...
“The Truth is far more powerful than any weapon of mass destruction.”
> TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote > > I sincerely doubt that a human being can suppress his sexual urges all the time.
> Some can.
> > Maybe someone like Gandhi could,
> Thats very arguable indeed. He used to sleep naked with one of his female child close relatives.
> > but it happened later in his life.
> Yeah, he used to fuck around in africa.
> > Someone told me that he was fooling around though it's likely to be a lie.
> He didnt even deny sleeping naked with one of his female child close relatives.
> Just maintained that there was nothing wrong with it.
> > Anyway, I like to dedicate the topic to Gandhi's way, and how we may adapt it today...
> I'm not into drinking my own piss.
> And he produced a hell of a lot of corpses too.
> > “The Truth is far more powerful than any weapon of mass destruction.” > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhism > > In this case we got neither one in Iraq. But I think most Christians are just HAPPY to live in the lie.
> Yeah, plenty of them are that stupid.-
Thank you. Your responses seem to be pretty "wise," at least by jungle standards.
Anyway here's how a I would arm the monkey to face the jungle...
1- THE TRUTH... OR SATYAGRAHA, the way of the truth based on Gandhi, etc.
2- A BANANA... this is where it gets interesting. It could be LOVE for the right person (particularly for a sexy girl) or PEACE, or it could be THE FINGER (we all know what it means), and it could also mean the SURPRISE WEAPON...
In other words, you "keep 'em guessin' what you've got."
3- A BAG OF SHIT. That's pretty much common sense. You throw shit at the jungle and its predators until they let you go. They all want good PR, you know.
And that's it for the arsenal of the Wise Tibetan Monkey in the jungle.
The revelations seem to be coming true: These are indeed times of plagues and disease. They are everywhere!
And what is the difference between a plague and a disease? I confess my total ignorance in the area of microbiology and even insects. My wisdom goes to what I see without instruments or even old books.
> > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:17:31 GMT, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
> >>Responding to John Locke:
> >>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:59:32 -0800 (PST), TheTibetanMonkey > >>> showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle > >>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>The revelations seem to be coming true: These are indeed times of > >>>>plagues and disease. They are everywhere!
> >>>>And what is the difference between a plague and a disease? I confess > >>>>my total ignorance in the area of microbiology and even insects. My > >>>>wisdom goes to what I see without instruments or even old books.
> >>> A plague is what happens when a disease gets out of control. Many > >>> consider religion to be a deadly viral plague. I would have to agree.
> >>Religion is not out of control. Its /always/ been controlled.
> > Yep, good point. Which, of course, makes it even more dangerous.
> A point to consider...
> Given the capacity for insane behaviour in a significant cross-section of > any population group you could point at, nations, specific deity- > worshippers, specific political idealogues, etc. might it be an even more > dangerous world than this if they /didn't/ have something to channel > those murderously twisted collective insanities, to contain that lurking > chimp-legacy of "kill 'em all" blood-lust?
> IOW, things could be a lot worse than they are /without/ religion?
> Maybe godbotianism is a kind of "containment in the community" asylum?
> Maybe we shouldn't disturb them /too/ much? 8(
Good question. SHOULD WE UNLEASH THE MONKEY? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO UNLEASH THE MONKEY?
I shall use my deep meditation as well as my common sense to clarify your earthly concern:
First of all, the monkey has been unleashed in every atheist-communist country... and they didn't eat each other alive. True, the system in itself is CRIMINAL, but so are some capitalist-Christian ''DEMOCRATIC" nations where you can't ride a simple bicycle on the road because it doesn't generate enough PROFITS while the planet is going to the dumps.
If we unleash the monkey, however, in some moderate fashion, say, like in Northern Europe, we can be assured of success. Not atheist per se, not Christian, just HUMAN.
And I hope some CHIMP doesn't take offense from that.
> > >>>>The revelations seem to be coming true: These are indeed times of > > >>>>plagues and disease. They are everywhere!
> > >>>>And what is the difference between a plague and a disease? I confess > > >>>>my total ignorance in the area of microbiology and even insects. My > > >>>>wisdom goes to what I see without instruments or even old books.
> > >>> A plague is what happens when a disease gets out of control. Many > > >>> consider religion to be a deadly viral plague. I would have to agree.
> > >>Religion is not out of control. Its /always/ been controlled.
> > > Yep, good point. Which, of course, makes it even more dangerous.
> > A point to consider...
> > Given the capacity for insane behaviour in a significant cross-section of > > any population group you could point at, nations, specific deity- > > worshippers, specific political idealogues, etc. might it be an even more > > dangerous world than this if they /didn't/ have something to channel > > those murderously twisted collective insanities, to contain that lurking > > chimp-legacy of "kill 'em all" blood-lust?
> > IOW, things could be a lot worse than they are /without/ religion?
> > Maybe godbotianism is a kind of "containment in the community" asylum?
> > Maybe we shouldn't disturb them /too/ much? 8(
> Good question. SHOULD WE UNLEASH THE MONKEY? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO > UNLEASH THE MONKEY?
> I shall use my deep meditation as well as my common sense to clarify > your earthly concern:
> First of all, the monkey has been unleashed in every atheist-communist > country... and they didn't eat each other alive. True, the system in > itself is CRIMINAL, but so are some capitalist-Christian ''DEMOCRATIC" > nations where you can't ride a simple bicycle on the road because it > doesn't generate enough PROFITS while the planet is going to the > dumps.
> If we unleash the monkey, however, in some moderate fashion, say, like > in Northern Europe, we can be assured of success. Not atheist per se, > not Christian, just HUMAN.
> And I hope some CHIMP doesn't take offense from that.
...and this has to do with the various Tibetan traditions in what way?
How does this relate to the ways of life and views and practices of the Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya, Jonang, Gelug, Rismed, Bon, etc traditions?
"Hinduism vs. Chritianity in (lame) Popular Culture"
...uhm...er...don't see anything about Tibetan Buddhism there...
...maybe you want to find a news group with that topic?
Hindus vs. Muslims vs. Christians etc - off topic. World news, yes, but please note it as an Off Topic post.
If you want to argue with Christians or Hindus post to their groups. Please. There was nothing about Tibetan traditions in these posts.
Thanx for listening - trying to keep the ng open for new posters interested in the topic of " alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan ".....
- n.
...maybe try talk.religion.buddhism for a general topic group ? Not trying to silence you by any means, like your posts - but... what the heck does this have to with Milarepa or Gampopa or Longchenpa?
> On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:00:42 -0800 (PST), TheTibetanMonkey > showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> >It's taken for granted that nonviolence is the weapon of the weak. > >First was Jesus that inspired Gandhi, then M.L. King and then me... > >Anyway I must get the record straight and denounce the original model. > >Jesus was the son of God according to some --or a simple asshole > >according to others--, then why didn't he crush Rome with an army of > >angels or with God himself throwing lightning rods? I'm sure you get > >the point. You are bothered by a roach and you crush it, right?
> >I don't know but I feel that the camp of those who consider Jesus an > >asshole is gaining adepts.
> You do realize that, in Tibetan Buddhism, Jesus is regarded as a Bodhisattva and > it's a negativity to speak ill of a Bodhisattva? You probably know that.
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> > > >>>>The revelations seem to be coming true: These are indeed times of > > > >>>>plagues and disease. They are everywhere!
> > > >>>>And what is the difference between a plague and a disease? I confess > > > >>>>my total ignorance in the area of microbiology and even insects. My > > > >>>>wisdom goes to what I see without instruments or even old books.
> > > >>> A plague is what happens when a disease gets out of control. Many > > > >>> consider religion to be a deadly viral plague. I would have to agree.
> > > >>Religion is not out of control. Its /always/ been controlled.
> > > > Yep, good point. Which, of course, makes it even more dangerous.
> > > A point to consider...
> > > Given the capacity for insane behaviour in a significant cross-section of > > > any population group you could point at, nations, specific deity- > > > worshippers, specific political idealogues, etc. might it be an even more > > > dangerous world than this if they /didn't/ have something to channel > > > those murderously twisted collective insanities, to contain that lurking > > > chimp-legacy of "kill 'em all" blood-lust?
> > > IOW, things could be a lot worse than they are /without/ religion?
> > > Maybe godbotianism is a kind of "containment in the community" asylum?
> > > Maybe we shouldn't disturb them /too/ much? 8(
> > Good question. SHOULD WE UNLEASH THE MONKEY? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO > > UNLEASH THE MONKEY?
> > I shall use my deep meditation as well as my common sense to clarify > > your earthly concern:
> > First of all, the monkey has been unleashed in every atheist-communist > > country... and they didn't eat each other alive. True, the system in > > itself is CRIMINAL, but so are some capitalist-Christian ''DEMOCRATIC" > > nations where you can't ride a simple bicycle on the road because it > > doesn't generate enough PROFITS while the planet is going to the > > dumps.
> > If we unleash the monkey, however, in some moderate fashion, say, like > > in Northern Europe, we can be assured of success. Not atheist per se, > > not Christian, just HUMAN.
> > And I hope some CHIMP doesn't take offense from that.
> ...and this has to do with the various Tibetan traditions in what way?
> How does this relate to the ways of life and views and practices of > the Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya, Jonang, Gelug, Rismed, Bon, etc traditions?
> "Hinduism vs. Chritianity in (lame) Popular Culture"
> ...uhm...er...don't see anything about Tibetan Buddhism there...
> ...maybe you want to find a news group with that topic?
> Hindus vs. Muslims vs. Christians etc - off topic. World news, yes, > but please note it as an Off Topic post.
Maybe it's enrich your wisdom enough to propose actual solutions for the world. Maybe the Tibet at least can find a solution. Or you don't have a lion lying to you and running your life? That's the reality of the jungle, huh?
I'll speak no more since you want to dodge the issue.
There's no Muslim vs. Christian, it's LION VS. LION, and in the end we all are monkeys trying to survive in the jungle.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote: > It's taken for granted that nonviolence is the weapon of the weak. > First was Jesus that inspired Gandhi, then M.L. King and then me... > Anyway I must get the record straight and denounce the original model. > Jesus was the son of God according to some --or a simple asshole > according to others--, then why didn't he crush Rome with an army of > angels or with God himself throwing lightning rods? I'm sure you get > the point. You are bothered by a roach and you crush it, right?
> I don't know but I feel that the camp of those who consider Jesus an > asshole is gaining adepts.
Jesus was real, but the Church on 2 Separate Occasions, once circa 500 AD, and another time, Circa 700 Ad, BURNED the "DIRECT TEACHINGS OF JESUS", declaring them "DANGEROUS TO THE CHURCH"!!!!!!!! The Church, not Jesus, LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buddhist's some at least "ADMIT" to evolving the teachings, Man always does, to "Make it Sell Better", then it becomes a "Secret" you have to buy somehow. When it becomes that corrupt, a sort of Nova in the Odo Occurs and a "NEW" Purified Word, or Evolved Teaching, Emerges for the "TRIBES" to live by.
> You do realize that, in Tibetan Buddhism, Jesus is regarded as a Bodhisattva and > it's a negativity to speak ill of a Bodhisattva? You probably know that. > � > �
Christians do it all the Time. Especially Anglicans. Who dare there be a Great Mother!! "MEN", RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sita was just a "PRIZE" RAMA WON!!!!!!!!! CHATTEL PROPERTY nothing more. � �
Q: Some people in our culture say that Jesus is God. How do you see Jesus Christ?
Lama: I see Jesus as a holy man. If you understand beyond words what he taught, fantastic. But we don’t even understand what he said literally. Even though holy Jesus told us that we should love everybody, we still choose one atom to love and hate the rest. That’s contrary to what he said. If you truly understand what Jesus taught, that’s very useful and especially helpful for mental sickness.
> Q: Some people in our culture say that Jesus is God. How do you see > Jesus Christ?
> Lama: I see Jesus as a holy man. If you understand beyond words what > he taught, fantastic. But we don’t even understand what he said > literally. Even though holy Jesus told us that we should love > everybody, we still choose one atom to love and hate the rest. That’s > contrary to what he said. If you truly understand what Jesus taught, > that’s very useful and especially helpful for mental sickness.
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